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The Lowest Circle

Nenicirene's picture

A few months back, there was incident in which Akari was booted from a raid for violating the looting policy, and he responded by intentionally killing the whole group through bringing back a huge pack of monsters to them. Recently, this was mentioned again, and he waved it aside:

yes I was, but that was long ago, that doesnt even matter anymore, only those who carry on their griefs and mishpas care about it.

No, it does matter. I wasn't there, but that sort of behavior is unexcusable by any circumstances. Grouping with people is a commitment to help them. Actively trying to harm your groupmates is betrayal, and, as Dante portrayed in the depths of the Inferno, betrayal is the worst crime possible because it involves abusing trust to harm people. If there is no expectation that one will not be betrayed, then society cannot function. That you even thought about doing this once, much less actually did it, is indicative of a deep and fundamental character flaw. Any brushing aside about "it's just a game" is crap, as games are played with real people that deserve to be treated with respect.

In defense of Akari, Neni, do you know the specifics of every detail and event that lead up to what Akari did in that instance (haha, play on words)? If not, then please don't yell at the man, it's none of your business honestly.

I only have the numerous reports of many people who were there, including an admission of guilt from the perpetrator. And, yes, it is my business. It's everyone's business. This is a community. Having a healthy community requires being aware and policing infractions that would harm that community. If I can't rely on the assumption that I can trust my group members to not kill me intentionally, then I'm not going to stick around.

Furthermore, this is something of a hot-button issue for me. The past does matter and actions have consequences. It is one thing to accidentally cause harm. It is quite another to deliberately undertake a non-instant action that betrays trust. An apology motivated by self-interest does not undo the fact that someone is the sort of person who performs actions that are just plain wrong.

STFU it's a game, go outside and get some air, people make mistakes, get over yourself. You can't say you've never made a mistake. Akari only screwed up one big time, and that was a long time ago, but none of you cool kids can get over that.

"Oops, I knocked a glass of milk onto your nice carpet," is a mistake. "Oops, I didn't like the cookies you gave me, so I got a gallon jug of milk out of your fridge and poured it all over the floor," isn't a mistake; it's a sign you're a jerk, and I don't invite jerks to my home.

Yes, it's a game. That's all the more reason that anti-social behavior should not be tolerated. People play this to have fun, and damaging other people's fun over things that aren't even real is pretty pathetic.

Even after hearing about the incident, I wound up giving him two more chances, with two of my characters, because I must be an idiot and keep giving people the benefit of the doubt despite noticing that no one ever changes. This resulted in seeing him tell our healer that he "ran like he had a cock up his ass" while repeatedly insisting on a non-working strategy and in him running off and not doing what the rest of the group was doing plus just being really annoying in raid chat. There are enough decent, friendly, competent people on this server that we don't need those who aren't.

I strongly agree with you. my biggest "button" is jerks. people who intentionally hurt other people and have ill intentions.

The Degree of Offense

Nenicirene's picture

Ganking a chest from someone is just as bad as ninja'ing items off of a corpse. It's rude, wrong and downright nasty of people.

I would argue not. Taking a chest from under someone is theft. Ninjaing items from a boss is betrayal. In one case, you are taking another individual's property they have rightfully acquired through time investment. In the second case, you're breaking a previously agreed-to social contract with individuals whom you have led to believe that you are helping, when in fact you are extracting a substantial time commitment from them for your own personal benefit. Taking five minutes of a random stranger's time is a less serious offense than taking an hour or two of time from people with whom you agreed to work.

I agree with your estimation of the severity. I still won't group with, encourage or stop being mortified by people who steal chests out from under me when I cleared the area. I'm not meaning to suggest that you condone ninja looters or chest thieves by any means though.

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