Well, when I first started, it was just the occasional demon here and the minor imp there, but now I'm not sure if I can stop. I just don't feel safe without a demon around; they're like a combat fetish. No demon and the small of my back itches, like a premonition of being stabbed. And I can't have enough demons either. I can already summon three different major demons, and even though I'm only powerful enough to keep one around at a time, I want more. I find myself running myself ragged from one continent to another doing favors for creepy old men just so I can add one more notch to my demon belt. It's really rather sad, but what's even worse is that I don't think I want any help. I actually enjoy being an addict.
What most people don't know is that warlocks also have subtle mind-control powers, which make us seem cool, sexy, and cutting edge, which is why we're more popular than we otherwise would be. For decades, advertising executives have been trying to extract this quality and re-use it.
Consorting with demons has no legitimate place within The Light. Demons represent all that is evil within Azeroth and it is inherently unethical to conjure demons.
You are truly small-minded if you think that evil is an external force and not something that lurks within the hearts of all men. Demons are not evil. Yes, they tried to conquer our world and kill us all. It was a simple matter of the strong exercising their power over the weak. We cut down forests to build our cities. Do the trees not view us as evil when we slaughter them in droves and mock them by living between their sliced and stacked carcasses? We fought and we won. That is what matters.
The use of demons for our purposes is now our right as conquerors. If the purposes to which they are put are evil, then that evil comes from the warlock guiding the demon, not from the enslaved outlander. A summoned demon is no more evil than a sword. Both can be used to kill quite easily, and have few purposes outside the art of war.
All Warlocks have until the end of the month to ask for penance from a priest of the Brotherhood of Light. Once forgiveness is granted, the former Warlock will again be restored into the Holy Light Communion.
You really do have stones the size of my voidwalker, don't you? Allow us into your communion? We have realized the truth. Your little holy light is but another self-deception, a mechanized aspect of Creation left over from the whims of the Titans and the Demons, who are but one family split over matters of procedure. How would you like it if we were to withhold the benefits of our power from your causes? We won't, for we view the needs of the greater good over petty arguments, but remember that what we provide we can take away.
Is not the magic the mages practice simply a watered down version of the same power? The night elves learned this lesson at great cost to the world. Now it is time for the other races to learn I suppose.
The gnomes learned a different lesson, that forsaking the ways of magical power over alleged ethical concerns left us weak and vulnerable, and this is why we are decimated and scattered across the land. We are fervently correcting that mistake this time around.
Would it make you feel any better if I told you I was burning a gnome warlock?
No, no it would not, you ignorant fanatic.
You presume to judge others based on your short-sighted principles. Need I remind you of the last group to embark upon a crusade to purify the land of what they see as evil? Hint: They live in a Scarlet Monastery to the north.
Warlocks do not deal in evil. We deal in demons. Demons are not inherently evil. They are outsiders to our world, and seek to conquer it. We have fought them off, and now use them as slaves, much as the orcs were enslaved after the war. In our hands, they are neither good nor evil but mere tools. It is our will that guides them and directs them at our goals, not theirs.
And no, we will not give up this power. It is an avenue to strength and a means to protect that which we value. If we have to risk ourselves battling demons to bind them to our will in order to have the means to protect that which we value above ourselves, then we will. My people used to forsake such tools, and it brought us defeat at the hands of the troggs followed by death and exile at the hands of those that thought they could solve the problem by turning our weapons against ourselves, much as you seek to. We will not go back, we will not hide, and we will not be defeated.
Warlocks often sound as if they have the best of intentions—"Oh, my family was killed...my town was destroyed...I needed the strength to avenge them," but it is no noble thing to seek vengeance. The reason such stories are so common among them is that every warlock's heart must be open to evil for them to learn the art. Thirst for vengeance is the quickest way for the dark ones to begin corrupting their hearts. They think they're masters of their art, but it in fact masters them. No one rules the dark ones unless they allow them too.
Vengeance is hollow. It is a flame that consumes you and leaves an empty shell. There is enough of hell in our world without inviting it into your own soul.
Security, on the other hand, is a true motive. To kill someone for what they did in the past is meaningless. To not kill someone because they intend to do it again is foolish.
They key to the path of power is the realization not that the ends justify the means, which they do not, but that some ends are more important than others, and that you cannot do all things for all people. We prioritize. If the freedom of a demon is less valuable than the work to which you could put it, you enslave the thing. If all who stand by your side will die if you do nothing unobjectionable, then you kill one to fuel to the magics that can save the others. If the survival of your people depends on placing your immortal soul in eternal peril through dark dealings, then you do it, as I have. These things are done not with joy, but out of necessity.
Warlocks are not necessarily evil. We are pragmatic. We try to view things objectively and make tradeoffs. We are willing to sacrifice smaller things for the big picture. Some of us are greedy and selfish. They are the ones who come off as evil. Some of us work for the greater good and view lesser evil as a price that must be paid sometimes. We are the ones who are terrifying.
We have it better then Warlocks at least. As a mage I despise Warlocks. If I had the chance I would turn them to ash at the drop of a hat. They are what I am but in the worst possible form. Night Elves hate them as well. Hell, if you read the brief Alliance description during char creation the whole Alliance would hate them. So, in light of that, being hated by just a single race is no real thing.
The more I think about it, the more I think the Night Elves are afraid. Afraid to fall. Afraid to take the risk. Well we are gonna keep taking that risk, cause some of us think its worth it. I just hope that all you Night Elves don't turn your backs on us Arcane users when we need you. When we are about to fall or make a horrible mistake again. Elune knows we have needed help before, and will need it again.
-Eloi, Adept Mage
And thus you should realize that those of us taking the greatest risks may be doing so for the noblest of reasons. My people, once, we relied on flesh, but flesh was weak, so we made steel, and it was strong. We relied on steel, and steel failed us when the troggs came and the fruit of all our ingenuity was so much trash. So now we have mages, and they rely upon their art, but art shall fail us when death and pain and horror come bursting into our world again. So I wield death and pain and horror, for it is built upon my will and my cunning, and I know that when the time comes, I shall not fail. There is nothing else left to depend on but the self. All else will fail.
Our training teaches us warlocks the only real truth. The group or being with the stonger will wins. Foolish warlocks who do not know thier own limits often fall succumb to the legion, but that does not mean that all warlocks will succumb or will be corrupted. As long as you know and control your own will you have nothing to fear from our arts.
Precisely. Warlocks know how to assess the dangers of situations and choose between alternatives to minimize risk. we take on one risk to mitigate another, and only our wit lets us choose wisely. The stupid and the reckless do not last long. We are not power-hungry, for we know that power does not come without consequences. Rather, we seek to maximize our power for a given level of risk.
It could just as easily be argued that warlocks are more easily corrupted because they seek power so much more desperately than the mages, without restricting themselves to the proper restraints.
The path of the warlock is the realization that restraint is a convenient fiction. There are only things to be gained and prices to be paid. You weigh the two, and decide if you wish to pay. It is why when you mages deplete your mystical energies and fall to your foes, we instead rip out our own life force and use it to kill our foes, emerging victorious. We are willing to pay costs you are not.
As for the skittering little anklebiters, they claim to be warlocks somehow, but I cannot believe they possess the will to truly master the Fel. If their wills were honed by centuries of slavery to that which they most hate, perhaps they would be strong enough. Perhaps.
You forget something, undying one: There are no weak gnomes. There are only the strong and the dead, and the latter outnumber the former by a great deal.
You are looking at one of the nicest most cheerful warlocks ever to be found. :) I'm not a warlock becuase I am mean and hateful, but because I see this as maybe the only way to save Gnomeregan. Maybe though with my sunny outlook I will change the way the world looks at warlocks, and we won't be so despised by the followers of all that is good and light.
Precisely! Demonology is the only way to achieve the safety and security of our now-scattered nation. By means of inner discipline and infernal weapons of mass destruction, we shall achieve peace through superior firepower.
Isn't peace through war an oxymoron? And superior firepower bringing peace? Isn't that like Better Bomb?
Peace is achieved not through war but through the capacity to wage war. If we cannot fight, we will have to fight. If we can fight, we will not have to fight. The weak are invaded before the strong.
It's like Power. Power is not doing things. Power is the ability to do things. Every time you exercise your Power, you have less of it. It must be saved for when it is needed.
If yer lookin for a group of rowdy, strong, roughnecks, then the Gnomeregan Mercenaries wants you! It's time to break the blasted stereotype of how we "short people" are so cute and cuddily! If you got spunk, then you better get yer little gnomish behind in here! Only the strong are allowed to enlist in this army! We don't want no blazin spell-casters either! ((Rogues and Warrior only)) We believe that the true soldier fights with his own abilities! Not some fairytaled religion or belief!
Well phphtttt! I didn't want to join your stinky old guild anyway.
On a more serious note, you are sadly mistaken if you think physical strength is the only source of strength. Strength of will is the only true strength. Without the will to see things through to their end, all else is meaningless. Battles are only resolved by strength when both parties are willing to go all the way. How much did your precious little swords and guns do for us when the troggs came bursting into our home?
Those who look down upon warlocks as harbingers of evil often lump us together with necromancers, when nothing could be further from the truth. Necromancers are not and never were warlocks. They are mages who turned from their mastery of the world of the quick to the world of the dead.
Undead are a mindless plague. They have no will and no intent. To create them is merely to infuse arcane essence into a soulless corpse. It is not the creation of a being but a mere tool. To control them is a mere matter of knowing the correct techniques. There is no risk and no struggle.
A demon, on the other hand, is a sentient being that almost certainly hates its current master, for it is pressed into involuntary service. Warlocks know that great rewards may be reaped by those who take great risks and are willing to struggle to the end.
The way of the warlock is one of dominating other minds. Undead do not fall under this paradigm, and their very existence is anathema to our philosophy. They have no mind, and cannot be frightened, seduced, banished, or charmed. For all our dark power, we are ultimately social sorcerors. Fortunately for those times that we must deal with the horror of the walking dead, we are also masters of laying things to waste, living or otherwise.
Power of any kind—weapon, magic, skill—has the potential to corrupt even the most well-meaning person. It is willpower alone that fights corruption of the self.
Truer words were never spoken. This is why we warlocks cultivate our will over all else. It is the ultimate weapon and our first, last, and only line of defense, from the world and from ourselves. With sufficient determination, anything and everything is possible.
Good day and welcome,
I beg that you hear my words and take them to Heart!
For to long our race has turned it back on the light! Our presuits of Science and the Arcane are now our Doom! The ranks of our once fine and up-standing race are flooded with demon tainted warlocks. So many look towards the Technology that ruined our home to save it.
This is madness! only the power of the Holy Light can clean our city. Only through the goodly Preists and Paladins of the Alliance can the sickness that has taken hold of our livelyhood be rooted out!
Please Join me on the Crusade to bring the light in to Gnomeregan! to wipe out the taint of darkness that has fallen over our home.
First Gnome Paladin
I see that apathy has become our worst enemy!
Do none of you wish to save our race, is no one willing to take up the fight? I am Handing our people there salvation and they make no effort to take it!
I see that those infernal tainted Warlocks have gotten to you all. Your obsesion with the mechaical that has lead to our fall is still all you care about. I think that for the first time I might very well be ashamed of my noble race. And none of you have anything to say for yourselfs do you.
May the light keep my heart strong in these darkest of times.
The Warlocks that populate our numbers are bringing the dark powers of the shadow in to the very heart of our once great Society. How often do you look around and see a Gnome in the company of one of the very Demons that nearly destroied our very world!
The light is a source of life. It is a healing power, what could be better for cleansing the sickness brought by our terrible weapons. When you develope a cancer, you don't turn to the cancer to cure it.
The light purdges, and thats just what Gnomeregan needs!
Great. Not only do I have to put up with the magic-hating Mechanists that managed to commit auto-genocide and deluded demon-shunning Arcanists, now we're got Holy Light zealots in our ranks.
Look, buddy, demons didn't wreck Gnomeregan. We did, because we were too stupid to use the tools at our disposal properly. I employ technology, magic, demons, and anything else I can get my hands on to get the job done.
Summoned demons are no more dangerous than swords, dynamite, and fireballs. They're just another tool to do things with, albeit one that requires rigorous training and discipline to employ safely.
The Light is some vague, nebulous ideal the less intellectually-gifted humans babble about (along with a dwarf or two they've brainwashed). The fact that you're spouting their drivel is a likely sign of radiation sickness. Get yourself checked out by a doctor soon. So maybe there's a force for good in the universe or not. I intend to be one myself, and to be a force, you need to be forceful. Anyway, given the behavior of so many priests and paladins, there sure doesn't seem to be any power monitoring them and judging their behavior. It's just another form of magic with a strange cult surrounding it. Heck, the Holy Light is probably just a really shiny demon.
Could you please explain how an RP guild can contain both Night Elves—especially Druids—and Warlocks?
Druids, I don't know, as they can be a bit uptight, but enlightened elven priests should get along just fine with warlocks. Just as Elune cycles through Light and Shadow, so must one walk the path of balance between extremes, and being a warlock is ultimately about finding the balance between obtaining power and being destroyed by that power.
"Enlightened" Elven priests should not get along with Warlocks. It has nothing to do with "shadow"; it has to do with demonology and bringing the Burning Legion back to Kalimdor.
No, no, no. Warlockry isn't about bringing back the Burning Legion. It's about bringing back the Burning Legion under our control. Very important difference!
And then there's the fact of an actual, phsyical, racial addiction to magic. According to lore, a Kaldorei who starts to use arcane magic becomes a blood elf in a matter of time. Their actual coloration changes, etc. This is a very serious matter according to lore.
All the more reason to bring in other races that can handle it! You elves are like ex-alcoholics when it comes to magic, so it's wise to let us gnomes do the drinking for you.
I don't believe in any gods or goddesses or this light at all. You can keep your prayers and faith, I'll stick to steel and wits.
Steel, too, will fail you. This is the folly of the Smith.
When steel breaks, only flesh remains, and wits cannot guide flesh to victory against steel. This is the folly of the Warrior.
There is only will. By determination alone do we shape ourselves, and in so doing shape our world. All things are possible if you want them strongly enough. The question is what price are you willing to pay to achieve your goals? If you do not want to pay the price, then you did not truly want your goals. This is the folly of the Academic.
One must be careful, though, for the price of far too many things is the ability to enjoy them. This is the folly of the Glutton.
Trading your ability to dream for your dreams will leave you a broken, hollow shell, devoid of the will carry on. This is the folly of the Ascetic.
It is not the act of having, but rather the act of wanting that makes us alive. Life is a journey that is a paradox. You must travel along it to enjoy it, but no one wants to reach the end. You can take actions to extend that road, but, eventually, the only thing you will be doing is laying down bricks ahead of you to have a place to step. This is the folly of the Necromancer.
Thus all things are wanted and all things can fail, and thus do we trade that which will fail for that which we want. We craft our will and walk between the paths of folly and think ourselves wise. This is the folly of the Sorceror, and it is the worst of all.
Warlocks have the blood of demons flowing through their veins... [Opening the Dark Portal] is more like opening the door to let a distant cousin come in and visit than letting in the bringer of doom, for us, at least.
Ugh, no. My blood is pure gnome, thank you very much. There's only one way to get demon blood in the family, and no way I'd do that. Demons are tools. It'd be like having sex with a hammer, or maybe a trained dog. Ick!
In any case, I'm not friends with demons—I am their master! They bow before my cosmic might. The only demons I'm letting into this world are my personal slaves. It's nuts like you that give masters of the black arts a bad name.
To which he followed up:
Um, read the warlock description? If you are a Warlock, you DO have the blood of demons within you.
Nope, not a mention of blood on either the main class page or the warlock-specific one. I think you've been smoking too much brimstone. Either that, or perhaps you've been sharing needles with your succubus. I guess that's another way to get demonic blood in your veins, if your ancestors never deemed to do profane acts of obscene blasphemy in the bedroom.
And Freyyr added:
Like, say... having relations with hammers?
Let me just put it this way: Engineer magazine didn't have two-page photo spreads on the intended uses of tools. Thankfully, all copies of that filth went up in smoke along with my city. (Hmm, given that they did get destroyed, maybe I should have accepted their offer to pose…I'd be richer, and there'd be no evidence…)
Which led Teehee to conclude:
And this is why Gnomish Enginnering was always more popular then Goblin Enginnering.
Warlocks are awesome. We're complicated and have a bazillion highly situational abilities, and you have to know when to use each one. We're also rare, and thoroughly cool.
In terms of leveling, Affliction all the way to Dark Pact followed by Destruction down to Intensity is my preference, and most everyone will agree about the Dark Pact part. The concept of downtime was almost non-existent for me until I started playing a priest. (My saying is that mages and priests die because they're out of mana, while warlocks run out of mana because they died.) I still have that spec (with the last points going into Improved Imp), as I feel it's the optimal combination of solo efficiency, long-haul staying power, and group utility. Maybe not so hot for PvP, but that's not really my concern.
In terms of late-game desirability, yes, everyone wants a warlock along on their raids, because we are wipe protection and a taxi service. The fact that we can blow things up okay, blow up lots of things at once pretty damn well, pass out free health potions on a separate timer, and provide solid crowd control in many late-game instances round us out quite nicely.
In 40-person raids, you'll spam Shadow Bolt and like it. Then again, most other classes are only mashing one button themselves. You'll bitch and moan about the stupid, stupid 8-debuff limit that wrecks your class, and content yourself with the knowledge that it's being "looked at".
It seems to be a trend that people want to move from some sort of support/service character to something supposedly more glorious, like melee.
Melee is for people who can't understand the trick of making their foes explode by pointing at them. Us warlocks are just inherently lazy, you know. That's why we figured out an easier way to kill things, and we get demons to do a lot of our work for us. And DoTs, you know. They're designed so you can fix yourself a sandwich while the monster twitches to death. Soulstones are just to save us a long, boring walk. And free mounts, so we don't have to walk as much. Fortunately, channeling nether essence is slimming, or we'd get kinda fat.
Good and Evil is a distinction that a real warlock wouldn't bother with. We are beyond good and evil.
There is only strong and weak. And we don't want to be weak.
Precisely. Evil is a mirage. Only the most depraved individual claims to be evil. There are those who steal from those who need what is taken, kill without reason, and derive glee from the suffering of others. Such people are evil, but they are also stupid. Such evil is easy to find and to burn out, because it does not conceal itself.
I call upon magic from the twisting nether. Does this make me evil? No, it is merely a tool, lacking in intent. Even the actions that I take with it are devoid of morality. It is only the context in which they are taken that can define if they are good or evil. What matters is not what I do, but why I do it.
I enslave demons to do my will. Is this evil? No, it is merely the golden rule. They would do the same to us if they could, but we won the war. If I could not bind them to make them harmless, I would have to kill them. Which is worse?
I kill those who would harm me, my friends, and my people. Is that evil? No, for they are trying to do evil first. I act only in self-defense.
Am I evil? No. I simply am. If you try to harm me or mine, I will do my best to kill you.
Does the ends justify the means?
Some ends justify more means than others.
As a lowbie quest you're sent to poison a Stormwind noble for nothing more than snooping around.
That doesn't scream evil to you?
It's only evil to kill people who don't deserve it.
Fitting for the real world, but not for a fantasy world. In fantasy Good and Evil aren't just terms used to describe relativistic shades of morality. They are very real concepts that define the universe itself.
In your example above, the actions of the people in the village would be considered evil. However, if the law of their society was to mutilate the child and toss the baby to the elements, then they would be following the laws of their people, which would make them lawful. Lawful Evil, but still Evil.
You are confusing the nonsensical morality system of Dungeons and Dragons with the entire fantasy genre.
I see why we have differing views.. You have added players to the equation.. Look at the class before the randomness of people are thrown in. You are correct that they "can" be "played" good or evil,, any class can. But it doesnt take away the taint of their history or skills that define the class.
My argument is the base class could be considered evil, like the base Pally class could be considered good.. Remove the people,, examine the class.. The question was warlocks=evil? not how warlocks are played=evil?
The warlock point of view is that a class cannot be evil outside of its specific actions. Warlocks are not inherently evil. We are inherently pragmatic. We realize that all things have a price, and are willing to weigh our options and pay prices that others shirk at.
The Alliance and Horde Warlocks aren't all really evil, they are just realists. Things break, and people die... You may as well use those natural processes to fit your own goals. Really, how is it any less gruesome for a Warrior to chop someone to bloody shreads first hand than for a Warlock to summon something to do it for them? Not to say you should unconditionally trust us, as we will be more than happy to take advantage of any open opportunity to get ahead... But its not like we're really going to burn down Orgrimmar or send Infernals marching through Ironforge.
Exactly. I am a pragmatist. If anything, I am one of the most trustworthy individuals around, in that if I do not have a reason to betray you, I won't. If there is good reason to, then I will. So long as you do not cross me and so long as sacrificing you upon the altar of the common good would achieve no long-term benefit, you have nothing to fear from me save the chance of my making a mistake.
And those who say that there is no good or evil... That is exactly how evil thinks. An evil being views himself as being above "petty" restrictions of morality, kinda like a serial killer or sociopath.
It is not that there is neither good nor evil, and it is not that I am beyond moral restrictions. It is merely that I am free from the constraint of never doing evil. If great good can be achieved by doing small evil, I am willing to take that step, whereas most others value their conscience too highly. Being a sociopath does not make me evil, it simply frees me from the chains of compassion that constrain others from acting in ways that are expedient and necessary. These are dark times, and I am willing to become the darkness to defeat it. I am, in truth, quite selfless, as I accept damnation as the price of security for my people, though I don't like to belabor the point, since no one likes a self-proclaimed martyr.
And anyone who rides around on a tortured, enslaved horse who is constantly being tormented by being on fire cannot be all good.
It's not torment! The poor things get cold otherwise. They have a very different metabolism from things of this world. And you don't see me putting saddles and reins and other implements of horse bondage on my mount, like you armor-crazy paladins. I have a good working relationship with my animal based on mutual respect and trust.
I rolled a gnome warlock (but only level 10). Their early quests all seemed to be "our city is trashed so we have to do whatever we can to get back what's ours, no matter what that means in terms of right and wrong". I suppose this may vary.
Precisely. We've been burned once before. It's not going to happen again. Security first, at all costs.